Obama vs McCain
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daddytoddOK, so this is in response to several posts in LJ tonight by Bears & other gay men talking about voting for McCain because Clinton didn't win the nomination.
I was never a Hillary Clinton fan; I was for Richardson, then briefly for Edwards before landing on Obama. But if Hillary had run a better campaign and actually captured the nomination, I'd be writing out a check for her campaign right now. Voting for McCain because your gal didn't win the nomination is simply beyond my capacity to understand. I'm willing to hear reasoned arguments, but I reserve the right to try and pick apart their logic.
I'm not saying there aren't reasons to pick McCain over Obama; I just haven't heard one yet that seems like it would be persuasive to a Gay man.
But even if we take out the LGBT part, the whole and single reason I never warmed to Hillary was that she voted for the Iraq War, and NEVER satisfactorily explained/apologized/rationalized that vote. She just started campaigning as if she'd been anti-war since Day One, when she was a zealous advocate of the war for at least a year before, and a couple years into it.
I think the Iraq War is one of the single greatest catastrophes my country has ever blundered into. Anyone who supported it needs to candidly explain WHY, and convince me he/she won't make that same mistake with Iran. As far as I know, Hillary never even attempted to make that case to voters.
But, ya know, I'd STILL vote for her over McCain, simply because I want a DEMOCRAT to pick the next couple of Supreme Court Justices. We're dangerously close to having every civil rights advance of the last 50 years swept away by the Supremes; we need to make sure Equal Rights are extended, not eroded.
((Edited to make it less inflammatory. Basically I wimped out on a comment I made, so I took out a couple paragraphs.))
I was never a Hillary Clinton fan; I was for Richardson, then briefly for Edwards before landing on Obama. But if Hillary had run a better campaign and actually captured the nomination, I'd be writing out a check for her campaign right now. Voting for McCain because your gal didn't win the nomination is simply beyond my capacity to understand. I'm willing to hear reasoned arguments, but I reserve the right to try and pick apart their logic.
I'm not saying there aren't reasons to pick McCain over Obama; I just haven't heard one yet that seems like it would be persuasive to a Gay man.
But even if we take out the LGBT part, the whole and single reason I never warmed to Hillary was that she voted for the Iraq War, and NEVER satisfactorily explained/apologized/rationalized that vote. She just started campaigning as if she'd been anti-war since Day One, when she was a zealous advocate of the war for at least a year before, and a couple years into it.
I think the Iraq War is one of the single greatest catastrophes my country has ever blundered into. Anyone who supported it needs to candidly explain WHY, and convince me he/she won't make that same mistake with Iran. As far as I know, Hillary never even attempted to make that case to voters.
But, ya know, I'd STILL vote for her over McCain, simply because I want a DEMOCRAT to pick the next couple of Supreme Court Justices. We're dangerously close to having every civil rights advance of the last 50 years swept away by the Supremes; we need to make sure Equal Rights are extended, not eroded.
((Edited to make it less inflammatory. Basically I wimped out on a comment I made, so I took out a couple paragraphs.))
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Date: 2008-06-06 02:39 am (UTC)I too can't understand former Clinton supporters going for Bushy McClone - it simply makes no sense whatsoever. My posting on this just went after the policy issues - I hate to think there are otherwise sensible and informed people for whom Obama's race makes a fig's worth of difference. That's just stupid, hateful and EVIL, and I'd like to lock such people in a room with Lennon's "Imagine" and Depeche Mode's "People Are People" playing loudly on an endless loop.
I need to get myself an Obama '08 bumper sticker and finally retire the Kerry/Edwards one....
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Date: 2008-06-06 02:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-06 03:22 am (UTC)Getting into another subject, we haven't heard from you in awhile Daddy Todd. I hope things are going well. HUGS!!!
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Date: 2008-06-06 03:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-06 04:02 am (UTC)He contends that the present adminstration has "single handedly repealed the 20th century."
Indeed, most of the reforms put in place because of the Depression and Stock Market crash have been guted and rendered ineffective. What they couldn't outright kill the seeded with insiders and industry men who won't act in the public interest.
The Republicans have played the "God Card" and the religious right has drank the koolaide. It's time for some reform again. Sadly, our nation is apathetic or ignorant about what they have lost.
I will concede that both parties look a lot the same but when the majority says they want change, they need to embrace the party that is NOT in power. McCain cannot offer change. He does not offer change.
Most of my life I have voted for the lesser of the evil men running for president. This time, I hope to vote for someone who I want instead of someone who "will do."
An for the record, I have voted in every presidential race since I was of voting age.
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Date: 2008-06-06 04:12 am (UTC)As have I. Sadly, I voted for Reagan in 1980 & 1984, and Bush I in 1988. Once I came out in 1990, I stopped doing self-destructive things, like going to church and voting Republican.
The closet kills, I tell ya!
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Date: 2008-06-06 04:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-06 04:13 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-06 04:30 am (UTC)Interesting... we were of the same school of thought. Richardson-->Edwards-->Obama (Democratic remainder)
I wish more people cared about the Supreme Court. It's a terrifying reality.
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Date: 2008-06-06 04:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-06 06:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-06 06:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-08 05:38 am (UTC)I suspect that now it's over (the battle) and we have a presumptive nominee, eventually this is going to die down. Yes, there will be Clinton supporters that won't vote for Obama, but I suspect they will rather stay home, rather than vote for McCain, by and large. The majority over time will drift behind whichever Democratic nominee is up, and the convention and the election will pass without much drama. People like Harriet Christian will get their minutes of fame, and they will pass.
And the large voter turnouts amongst black and young voters will make a huge difference. People connect with Obama in a way that they never connected with Kerry. It will be fine. Don't worry.
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Date: 2008-06-08 12:16 pm (UTC)It's pride Weekend in Salt Lake, and I saw hundreds of people yesterday wearing Obama badges and stickers. It warmed my heart!